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    Character Name: Whitebeard
    Previous Tier: Summit
    Suggested Tier: upper top
    Reason: He was too out of shape by the time he was introduced. He couldn't use haki properly. While he did have to hold back so not to damage his own men, Akainu and Aokiji had to do the same as well. Aokiji managed to avoid a direct attack and was about to counter attack but Whitebeard got saved by Jozu. Against Akainu he did manage to beat him one on one, but got a hole through his chest and head which wouldn't happen if he was a tier above him.
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    Ashura Doji needs to move up a tier.

    He landed a large wound on Jack which Inuarashi and Nekomamushi failed to do for days. He even called Jack a small fish.

    You can't place Doflamingo above Ashura Doji if he failed to even put a dent on Luffy in G4. Ashura actually hurt Jack, a commander level fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiegel View Post
    Ashura Doji needs to move up a tier.

    He landed a large wound on Jack which Inuarashi and Nekomamushi failed to do for days. He even called Jack a small fish.

    You can't place Doflamingo above Ashura Doji if he failed to even put a dent on Luffy in G4. Ashura actually hurt Jack, a commander level fighter.
    he fought Inu to a draw though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiegel View Post
    Ashura Doji needs to move up a tier.

    He landed a large wound on Jack which Inuarashi and Nekomamushi failed to do for days. He even called Jack a small fish.

    You can't place Doflamingo above Ashura Doji if he failed to even put a dent on Luffy in G4. Ashura actually hurt Jack, a commander level fighter.
    AppleCider is right.

    @bold didn't know banter was recognised as a feat these days. We should put Buggy and Usopp in god tier then

    @underlined you don't know what kind of wounds Inuarashi and Nekomamushi inflicted on Jack because we didn't see the fight. We didn't see what kind of treatment Jack got after it, we just saw him later torturing the guys whom he used a chemical weapon on. We even saw Nekomamushi using Jack as a throwing pillow. For all we know, they seemed even with Jack for the duration of the fight, with Jack obviously having the downside of not resting between the fights which denotes quite the good durability and stamina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleCider View Post
    he fought Inu to a draw though
    That doesn't mean they're equal. Inuarashi is the one who actually is trying to recruit him. He has no reason to fight all out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Overhaul View Post
    AppleCider is right.

    @bold didn't know banter was recognised as a feat these days. We should put Buggy and Usopp in god tier then

    @underlined you don't know what kind of wounds Inuarashi and Nekomamushi inflicted on Jack because we didn't see the fight. We didn't see what kind of treatment Jack got after it, we just saw him later torturing the guys whom he used a chemical weapon on. We even saw Nekomamushi using Jack as a throwing pillow. For all we know, they seemed even with Jack for the duration of the fight, with Jack obviously having the downside of not resting between the fights which denotes quite the good durability and stamina.
    Exactly, you don't know either. But what we know is that Ashura Doji immediately cut Jack's blade within seconds and slashed him to a point where he actually needed medical attention.

    Inuarashi blocked Jack's attack and Nekomamushi Slammed him. Neither did significant damage like Ashura Doji's attack.

    Jack fought those two nonstop and nothing they did compared to this from what we've seen in PANEL. Nothing says Jack is stronger than Ashura Doji.

    And the fact that they were stalemating Jack for hours on end but they're a tier below his level is nonsense.

    Considering you have cracker who stalemated Luffy for hours just as they did but eventually lost in hours and you have Doffy who was completely dismantled by G4 Luffy in the same tier as Luffy. Kek. What the shuck.

    How is Magellan and shilliew in Zoro's tier and Doffy and Jozu above him?

    Shilliew became the second commander of a Yonkou's Crew in less than 2 years which is the same rank as Smoothie and Shilliew and Magellan are equals. Magellan has one of the most broken fruits in the verse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiegel View Post
    That doesn't mean they're equal. Inuarashi is the one who actually is trying to recruit him. He has no reason to fight all out.


    Exactly, you don't know either. But what we know is that Ashura Doji immediately cut Jack's blade within seconds and slashed him to a point where he actually needed medical attention.

    Inuarashi blocked Jack's attack and Nekomamushi Slammed him. Neither did significant damage like Ashura Doji's attack.

    Jack fought those two nonstop and nothing they did compared to this from what we've seen in PANEL. Nothing says Jack is stronger than Ashura Doji.

    And the fact that they were stalemating Jack for hours on end but they're a tier below his level is nonsense.

    Considering you have cracker who stalemated Luffy for hours just as they did but eventually lost in hours and you have Doffy who was completely dismantled by G4 Luffy in the same tier as Luffy. Kek. What the shuck.

    How is Magellan and shilliew in Zoro's tier and Doffy and Jozu above him?

    Shilliew became the second commander of a Yonkou's Crew in less than 2 years which is the same rank as Smoothie and Shilliew and Magellan are equals. Magellan has one of the most broken fruits in the verse.


    have you read the rules? Magellan and Shilliew in the tier list were measured due to Magellan's pre TS feats. Shilliew is only there because he was said to match Magellan.

    Just like ... right. Ashura Doji and Inuarashi were shown to be equally matched.

    @bold that's your headcannon

    Injured and Gammara Ray'd Doffy outlasted G4 Luffy and if it wasn't for outside help Luffy would have been done in by Doffy

    Luffy would have been done in by Cracker if not for Nami

    Luffy was only placed there after his fight vs Katakuri where he was shown to grow stronger, strong enough to match Big Mom's Commander

    The fact that Jack laster 120 hours fighting while Inu and Neko were taking 12 hours break to rest is the reason why they're one tier apart


    I'll just copy paste the post I made on Discord on this same subject, except now I'll use the emoji you seem to like so much
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    Last edited by Overhaul; Jul 12th '19 at 04:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhaul View Post


    have you read the rules? Magellan and Shilliew in the tier list were measured due to Magellan's pre TS feats. Shilliew is only there because he was said to match Magellan.

    Just like ... right. Ashura Doji and Inuarashi were shown to be equally matched.

    @bold that's your headcannon

    Injured and Gammara Ray'd Doffy outlasted G4 Luffy and if it wasn't for outside help Luffy would have been done in by Doffy

    Luffy would have been done in by Cracker if not for Nami

    Luffy was only placed there after his fight vs Katakuri where he was shown to grow stronger, strong enough to match Big Mom's Commander

    The fact that Jack laster 120 hours fighting while Inu and Neko were taking 12 hours break to rest is the reason why they're one tier apart


    I'll just copy paste the post I made on Discord on this same subject, except now I'll use the emoji you seem to like so much
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    thoughts on Queen and King for Top Tier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleCider View Post
    thoughts on Queen and King for Top Tier?
    Maybe, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Joestar View Post
    Against Akainu he did manage to beat him one on one
    No he didn't

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    I don't know about Ashura Doji's ranking but you can't really use Inu to compare

    vs Jack he was at 100% and fighting someone trying to destroy Zou
    vs Ashura it was an Inu that lost a leg and was fighting someone to make him an ally

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