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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleCider View Post
    @Overhaul thoughts on Sabo for Upper Top (he severely injured Fujitora) and Rocks for Summit Tier (it required Roger and Garp to defeat him)?
    When did he injured Fujitora? I thought Fujitora was all bandaged up because he tripped

    We don't know how strong Roger and Garp were back then ... and they also fought Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido (along with Shiki), not only Rocks.

    There's 2, maybe 3 big names (counting Rayleigh) on Roger side and at least 5 big names on Rocks side... this is hardly a fair matchup to guess their power level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhaul View Post
    When did he injured Fujitora? I thought Fujitora was all bandaged up because he tripped

    We don't know how strong Roger and Garp were back then ... and they also fought Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaido (along with Shiki), not only Rocks.

    There's 2, maybe 3 big names (counting Rayleigh) on Roger side and at least 5 big names on Rocks side... this is hardly a fair matchup to guess their power level.
    i thought they were burns? He fought an angry Sabo and Revs and got injured!

    Rocks was Roger's main enemy though. He's strong enough to lead a crew with 3 future yonko! And a likely reason for the current Kaido-Big Mom alliance

    Also Rocks was the last step before Roger became Pirate King?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewtheAmericanDude View Post
    Doflamingo was clearly above Law tho Dressrosa Luffy alone wasnt enough to beat him. WCI Luffy definitely would be but not by a huge margin.

    And yeah I dont entirely see Rayleigh as Kizaru level personally
    I feel like people only think that because the anime cucked him. The first few fights it was clear Law was not mentally prepared to fight Doffy but when they finally had the one v one in the castle Law landed some serious hits. He managed to get a mild cut on his side and Doffy cut up his hand grabbing his sword, and later took an injection shot straight to the stomach. After that he did lose his arm but was able to fake his death and hit Doffy with a surprise attack. You could argue Luffy was there and because he switched with him it shouldn't count as a feat but Law could have just swapped with his believed corpse or even trebol or just a piece of rubble and had the same effect. His gamma knife nearly killed Doffy. I think Doffy was stronger but Law damn near killed him

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewtheAmericanDude View Post
    Doflamingo was clearly above Law tho Dressrosa Luffy alone wasnt enough to beat him. WCI Luffy definitely would be but not by a huge margin.

    And yeah I dont entirely see Rayleigh as Kizaru level personally
    Even Dressrosa's Luffy was stronger by a fair margin than Doflamingo ... only Plot prevented him from ending him in his first try with G4 (instead of King Kong gun early he kept punching him around) ... if you add up that Luffy can maintain G4 longer now , has crazy CoO and doesn't faint now from the after effects of Boundman ... Doflamingo would get fodderized basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Joestar View Post
    I feel like people only think that because the anime cucked him. The first few fights it was clear Law was not mentally prepared to fight Doffy but when they finally had the one v one in the castle Law landed some serious hits. He managed to get a mild cut on his side and Doffy cut up his hand grabbing his sword, and later took an injection shot straight to the stomach. After that he did lose his arm but was able to fake his death and hit Doffy with a surprise attack. You could argue Luffy was there and because he switched with him it shouldn't count as a feat but Law could have just swapped with his believed corpse or even trebol or just a piece of rubble and had the same effect. His gamma knife nearly killed Doffy. I think Doffy was stronger but Law damn near killed him
    I feel like that's mostly conjecture but Gamma Knife is hecka powerful either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alibaba Saluja View Post
    Even Dressrosa's Luffy was stronger by a fair margin than Doflamingo ... only Plot prevented him from ending him in his first try with G4 (instead of King Kong gun early he kept punching him around) ... if you add up that Luffy can maintain G4 longer now , has crazy CoO and doesn't faint now from the after effects of Boundman ... Doflamingo would get fodderized basically.
    It's worth noting that this was all after Doflamingo took gamma knife which sliced his organs. And he was still able to block a G4 hit with awakened strings and knock him around some. How do we know Luffy wasted time? We cant judge time in a static manga unless they say it and even if he wasnt fully optimal, all of his work was done after the aid of Law, and Doflamingo's stamina was still capable enough. If we're gonna cry "plot," I wonder how Doflamingo couldnt track down Luffy when he was only being carried around by Gats. Also with Doflamingo's massive endurance compared to his offense, it's possible that comparing Doflamingo to current Luffy is a bad match up. Without Nami, Luffy was powerless to hurt Cracker, but in that case would u still say Cracker>>>Luffy? By that much?

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    The only plot armor was Luffy not just getting fucking murdered by Doffy when he was in base

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewtheAmericanDude View Post
    I feel like that's mostly conjecture but Gamma Knife is hecka powerful either way.



    It's worth noting that this was all after Doflamingo took gamma knife which sliced his organs. And he was still able to block a G4 hit with awakened strings and knock him around some. How do we know Luffy wasted time? We cant judge time in a static manga unless they say it and even if he wasnt fully optimal, all of his work was done after the aid of Law, and Doflamingo's stamina was still capable enough. If we're gonna cry "plot," I wonder how Doflamingo couldnt track down Luffy when he was only being carried around by Gats. Also with Doflamingo's massive endurance compared to his offense, it's possible that comparing Doflamingo to current Luffy is a bad match up. Without Nami, Luffy was powerless to hurt Cracker, but in that case would u still say Cracker>>>Luffy? By that much?
    The thing is from the moment Luffy set foot on Dressrosa he had the ability to just tomp Doflamingo , one shot him .. but that wouldn't be good story telling so plot let all the dressrosa arc happen (just like Hody , just like Blueno ...) you know , G4 Boundman King Kong gun that went trought Doflamingo's strongest move and destroyed him ... but for story purpose that was delayed until the end.

    That moment of Luffy getting help from Gats and others should never have happened if Luffy just went in full power from the start like he did against Cracker for example ... Cracker who actually can fight against G4 while Doflamingo was a punching bag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Joestar View Post
    The only plot armor was Luffy not just getting fucking murdered by Doffy when he was in base
    I'm pretty sure it's plot when Luffy has the ability to one shot Doflamingo since the moment he left Ruskaina island but only uses it at the very end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alibaba Saluja View Post
    I'm pretty sure it's plot when Luffy has the ability to one shot Doflamingo since the moment he left Ruskaina island but only uses it at the very end.
    I mean Doffy didn't use his strongest attack until the end either. This is anime dawg. Plus pretty sure if he used the attack and it didn't KO doffy Luffy would be knocked out of gear 4th and just get killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Joestar View Post
    I mean Doffy didn't use his strongest attack until the end either. This is anime dawg. Plus pretty sure if he used the attack and it didn't KO doffy Luffy would be knocked out of gear 4th and just get killed
    well that attack was able to go throught Doffy's best defense and offens (he use spied web and the aweakening attack to try to counter it but failed) and Knock him out so yeah it was enough .. and that is what plot armor is.

    It's anime yeah but in One Piece we had different fights where Luffy was at the beggining of the fight either at the same level or weaker than the opponent (Lucci , Katakuri , Cracker , Crocodile ) and not an "I already have a move that could one shot you but I wont use it for no reason at all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alibaba Saluja View Post
    well that attack was able to go throught Doffy's best defense and offens (he use spied web and the aweakening attack to try to counter it but failed) and Knock him out so yeah it was enough .. and that is what plot armor is.

    It's anime yeah but in One Piece we had different fights where Luffy was at the beggining of the fight either at the same level or weaker than the opponent (Lucci , Katakuri , Cracker , Crocodile ) and not an "I already have a move that could one shot you but I wont use it for no reason at all"
    it was enough to knock him out after he had been cut, stabbed, gamma knifed, and hit several times by gear 4 luffy, I doubt if he just straight up used it at the start of him going gear 4 it would have KOed him

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