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    One Piece Chapter 866 Discussion and 867 Predictions


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    One Piece Chapter 866 Discussion and 867 Predictions

    Discuss One Piece Manga Chapter 866 here and predict the next chapter, One Piece Manga Chapter 867

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    I can see Big Mom redemption written all over this arc. She will be an ally, as chopper will cure her 'illness'.

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    What a story in the last 100 years of Elbaf... Ussop.... he is sad that he's not with us readers...

    The name of Kaashi is little diferent now.

    It is clearly now where comes the dream of Utopia and why Linlin was intially despised by the giants before the Lola runaway marriage incident. It seems Linlin was expelled from Elbaf, but it doesn't make sense why her childrens and the rest of the guests of Tea Party never heard of Sister Carmel despite being famous for stopping the execution of the giants warriors.

    By the way, the scene with Sister Carmel being the only engulfed by the sunlight at Marineford is like the death scenery of Whitebeard.

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    Doubt she will be redeemed , but it's good we are getting her flashback. And it turned out to be verrrrrrrry interesting.

    So... basically, Big Mom is kind of simple-mided and was unaware of her strength, and she also has two problems: gigantism and some for of dysfunction when she goes on rampage if she gets hungry/can't get her favourite food (as we have seen during her previous rampage). We can easily assume that events we see in this chapter twisted her mind even more, especially if we assume that Mother has left her after that. And if she defended Linlin, maybe it led to giants losing trust in humans again?

    Also, anyone else want to write how BM is "the weakest of Yonko" and "overhyped"? Because even if she is the weakest emperor, she is still extremely strong. 5 yr old without any Devil Fruit or anything wrecks the entire village of giants, and not only giants, but warriors as well?

    5/5 from me, i enjoy chapters like that.
    Last edited by Qirdich; May 25th '17 at 01:52 PM.

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    Aaaalright, so BM is kind of misguided. She's still a damn psycho, though She can't control herself at all. I'm really starting to wonder if this is an illness.

    So Hajrudin is actually older than the prince, and he was around when BM was there. That's interesting stuff. I hope he grows to become really strong. One of muh favs, he is.

    Loved seeing Dorry and Brogy, even if it was just in a panel where they don't even do anything. We haven't seen them drawn in ages, so it was nice seeing them with Oda's improved style. They don't look much different.

    Yorle and Yarle had badass designs. And now I hate BM for destroying Elbaf Well, parts of it. No way in hell should she be able to stand up to the oldest warriors there. She's only 5, after all. But I suppose we'll see her iron body at work now, or maybe Caramel will save her somehow.

    Speaking of Caramel, she was a foxy young woman

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    So mother Caramel was just a little too kind and raised a spoiled brat. Hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qirdich View Post
    Doubt she will be redeemed , but it's good we are getting her flashback. And it turned out to be verrrrrrrry interesting.

    So... basically, Big Mom is kind of simple-mided and was unaware of her strength, and she also has two problems: gigantism and some for of dysfunction when she goes on rampage if she gets hungry/can't get her favourite food (as we have seen during her previous rampage). We can easily assume that events we see in this chapter twisted her mind even more, especially if we assume that Mother has left her after that. And if she defended Linlin, maybe it led to giants losing trust in humans again?

    Also, anyone else want to write how BM is "the weakest of Yonko" and "overhyped"? Because even if she is the weakest emperor, she is still extremely strong. 5 yr old without any Devil Fruit or anything wrecks the entire village of giants, and not only giants, but warriors as well?

    5/5 from me, i enjoy chapters like that.
    Yes.... maybe.....

    Like a post I made long ago, Giants are Giants in the One Piece world. We've seen Weeble wrecking 16 entire new world pirate crews alone. A giant Hajrudin getting wrecked by an out of shape Machvise, and little kids(Ace, Luffy, Sabo) fighting big dudes alone.


    While a village of Giants is indeed a feat, but this doesn't exactly compare to unseen stories of the others at the same age, forgetting that Kaido and Whitebeard compares in size to her with iron bodies described in the story as well this chapter only tells us how strong she was, but not compared to her other yonko.

    Shanks and Blackbeard were the only other yonko shown as cabin boys in their crews.

    And her childhood story still doesnt explain her 68 year old strength as every other yonko could have grown stronger compared to her growth. In One Piece we can't take 5 year old ANYONE and use it as a feat for their current time, as Shanks went from losing an arm to a sea king to splitting the skies with Whitebeard, and stopping an attack from Akainu. Blackbeard went from from getting knocked into a wall by pre ts Luffy to stalemating in a battle with Sengoku in one arc and then winning an entire war against another yonko crew. Everyone builds differently, so no matter how bad 5 year old Big Mom may have been against a village of giants, 68 year old Big Mom can still be the weakest yonko.


    Notice I said "could", because I'm a partial believer, but at the same time know that sometimes levels can indeed be misinterpreted.



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    @Inuarashi @Nekomamushi @Laboon @Stein @Aertes @Basil @FireAngeL @Jamal Henderson @desa @Eco Seis @Matternativ @ShichiDrewKai @The Pirate Prince @Gir @SniperKing

    1. Why are people saying Big Mom will be redeemed when she was a raging psycho who destroyed a village in Elbaf just because she couldn't hold her appetite and was spoiled by Caramel? She was evil from the start.

    2. Who will win in an eating contest: Big Mom or Luffy?

    3. Is Jewelry Bonney one of Big Mom daughters? Both have raging appetites and can manipulate lifespan of people.

    4. How did Hajrudin who was trained by two legendary giant captains as a kid get one-shotted by G2 Luffy?

    5. Will the Strawhat Grand Fleet make an appearance in Elbaf Arc?

    6. Did 5 year old Big Mom destroy and kill Yarle and Yorle, outraging the giants and expelling her from Elbaf?

    7. Why would Big Mom force Lola to marry Loki when the giants were outraged by her as a kid?

    8. Could Weeble be Big Mom's son since he's also huge and single handedly destroyed massive Yonko commander allies? Could Bakkin actually be Carmel's daughter?

    9. When did Katakuri, Smoothie and Cracker become Sweet Commanders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleCider View Post
    @Inuarashi @Nekomamushi @Laboon @Stein @Aertes @Basil @FireAngeL @Jamal Henderson @desa @Eco Seis @Matternativ @ShichiDrewKai @The Pirate Prince @Gir @SniperKing

    1. Why are people saying Big Mom will be redeemed when she was a raging psycho who destroyed a village in Elbaf just because she couldn't hold her appetite and was spoiled by Caramel? She was evil from the start.

    2. Who will win in an eating contest: Big Mom or Luffy?

    3. Is Jewelry Bonney one of Big Mom daughters? Both have raging appetites and can manipulate lifespan of people.

    4. How did Hajrudin who was trained by two legendary giant captains as a kid get one-shotted by G2 Luffy?

    5. Will the Strawhat Grand Fleet make an appearance in Elbaf Arc?

    6. Did 5 year old Big Mom destroy and kill Yarle and Yorle, outraging the giants and expelling her from Elbaf?

    7. Why would Big Mom force Lola to marry Loki when the giants were outraged by her as a kid?

    8. Could Weeble be Big Mom's son since he's also huge and single handedly destroyed massive Yonko commander allies? Could Bakkin actually be Carmel's daughter?

    9. When did Katakuri, Smoothie and Cracker become Sweet Commanders?

    1. Some people actually believed that, but honestly as a child she has a sickness, it doesn't make her entirely evil at age 5 compared to Doflamingo who was evil from birth. Big Mom was hurt by adults who instead of finding a solution/cure, they lied to her and attacked her, everyone was mean to her, to any 5 year old even in real life, it will set a permanent mental scar that causes them to actually become psycho worsening the sickness. Law had Rocinante, like Big Mom had Mother Caramel. However Law's guardian angel was killed by the heavenly demon, while Big Mom seemed to be separated from mentor before her sickness could be cured, and her mentor failed to see that something was wrong because she only saw good in people.

    2. Big Mom can eat towns and still be hungry, Luffy eats one chocolate cafe with the help of chopper, and needs his biscuits wet by Nami, Big Mom wins.

    3. Lifespan and age are somewhat different in a sense that lifespan is determined by the smallest measurement of time while age is determined by years. Big Mom's powers can see the future basically is somehow knowing how long someone has left to live, while Bonney can simply only manipulate someone's biological age. Even 6 month old babies can die from natural causes. We don't know yet about Bonney's true powers, is she actually reversing someone's age including their lifespan? Or is she simply making them appear to look that way? For example let's say a 90 year old man is fixing to die if 5 mins, and Bonney makes him 2 years old. Would his lifespan be affected? Or will death come knocking in 5 minutes still? On the other hand Big Mom can turn those 5 mins into 5 seconds with her powers.

    4. How did Hajrudin who was trained by two legendary Giants get one shotted by Luffy who was trained by Rayleigh and Garp, two legendary men who were both Roger's arch enemy and right hand man? You answered your own question with the question itself. Roger was known as the world strongest man. Garp was his declared enemy who cornered him in battles, and Rayleigh was his vice captain, seeing as to how the author portrays Vice Captains like Killer, Zoro and Ben Beckman, we can assume Rayleigh is about equal to Garp like Zoro to Smoker. Luffy was trained by both these men in his life time. Whitebeard was Roger's only equal who One shotted Giants throughout the Marineford war meaning Roger could do the same. So if Garp sort of on their level trained Luffy couldn't Luffy eventually one shot giants?

    5. I believe so, it is only natural to have Hajrudin make an appearance. During this arc, Elbaf may just become Luffy's territory seeing as they ally with so many giants.

    6. Possibly.

    7. Exactly what Big Mom said the reason was for? To end their long rivalry and hatred? My question is, why would 63 year old Loki want to marry such a young woman?

    8. They look alike, Weeble could be connected, never know.

    9. More than two year ago that's for sure.



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    LinLin is an animal! She should be put down!!

    Good Chap. Nice to see everyone. I wonder if Loki will be the bad guy while Hajrudin is the good guy?
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