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    Who is and isn't beyond redemption?

    We've seen some of the Strawhats accept certain characters. The audience may or may not have. Who do you think is and isn't beyond redemption?

    I think Arlong, the CDs, Gastino and Teach are beyond redemption.

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    Why is Gastiny such a bad guy?

    Doflamingo is much more of a bad guy than Gastiny. Akainu and Lucci too. Gastiny just did experiments on kids because else Big Mom would eat him and even then, he has been redeeming himself by healing/curing others
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    Judge is beyond redemption. He’s a sorry excuse of a father and Big Mom did a good job thunderbolting him in one hit.

    Big Mom children are easily redeemable. They are just doing their job (out of fear, loyalty etc.) and they have insecurities.

    Akainu is redeemable since he is just doing his job

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    Why is Garp considered redeemable? What does he have to be redeemed for?

    - All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain -
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    A lot of it comes down to convictions. Crocodile, for instance, was mostly driven by his desire for vengeance against Whitebeard. Pluton and Alabasta were stepping stones for him, so he wasn't so attached that teaming up with Luffy was inconceivable. Same with Buggy. Even Bellamy wasn't above apologizing and trying to patch up with Luffy.

    That might be why we never saw Arlong in Impel Down; teaming up with Luffy and the others would've violated his entire conditioning.

    So who is beyond redemption?

    -Any of the hardcore justice types like Lucci and Akainu. They've drunk their own kool aid for far too long. It's why given a choice between retirement and resurgence, Lucci jumped right back into Cipher Pol.

    -God complexes like Enel and Doflamingo. Caesar might end up here too, as he has basically run out of friends to protect him.

    -Bad fishmen and Celestial Dragons. Racists gonna racist.

    -We'll see if one Captain Kid is less trigger-happy once he's free, given the spanking Kaido-san gave him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracula View Post
    Why is Garp considered redeemable? What does he have to be redeemed for?
    Garp let Ace die. Unforgivable isn't enough. I can't put it into words. Dadan should've hit him more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Garp let Ace die. Unforgivable isn't enough. I can't put it into words. Dadan should've hit him more.
    Garp was just doing his job. It was ultimately Ace's decision to become a pirate, so that doesn't mean Garp was going to ignore his Marine responsibilities to protect him. Just like Garp isn't protecting Luffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Garp let Ace die. Unforgivable isn't enough. I can't put it into words. Dadan should've hit him more.
    That wasn't his fault. He gave him a chance when he let Luffy pass by him. Ace was freed, don't forget that. It was Ace that stopped to fight Akainu over an insult to WB. Ace's hotheaded nature is what got him killed.

    - All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    Garp let Ace die. Unforgivable isn't enough. I can't put it into words. Dadan should've hit him more.
    I watched the post-war stuff with Sabo and Dadan for the first time last week.

    That shit hit me hard.

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